Talk:A Bad Past (Map Game)/@comment-26044830-20170428074401

btw I have a stupid but challenging suggestion just to make the new world more powerful than Europeans

For the Americas, we should make the Aztecs, Mayans, Incans and these North American tribes a bit stronger than all average powers of Europe and Asia combined. The Swedes may see them puny but they have better organisation, a better morale and generally a bit ahead (say early 16th century or something) by technology

What if the Americans have used metallurgy on weaponry instead, using copper and/or silver as weapons rather than jewellery (doesn't mean they can't stop them) in the 9th century CE. Then the other native Americans (living in the Great Lakes) discover a more flexible kind of metal (obviously iron), allowing further developments into metallurgy first in that area then eventually spread into Mexico which started the rise of the Aztecs in the 14th century CE.

Then if we want to get further ahead, then we must also include gunpowder as well. The Mayans would probably do well than the Aztec counterparts, using shamans instead of some weird Chinese man. That should happen somewhere later. Also to keep it even more stronger, their ships wouldn't exist without the vikings landing into Newfoundland and Labrador. Then some of the natives drive them back to Iceland or whatever location they come from, they should be able within ~1000 years or so have allowed the boat-building technology by the sea to the southernmost part of the Americas. The Aztecs would've quickly adapted it into naval warfare by the start of the 13th-15th century, allowing their conquests to the Caribbean easily.

However the downside is that they only know Greenland and Iceland, nothing else. Of course they still have expeditions to West Africa and Southern Africa but nothing more as they are a bunch of continental isolationists. There's also a plague once that is exclusive and adapted to the native Americans (making a shitty ck2 aztec plague here) and it could be devastating for the Old World. Their development rates are almost higher but at the start of the 19th century, free thinking is becoming more prominent through messengers' whispers to others (in replacement of paper, of course they use clay but for further distances they use messengers). The Aztecs are also becoming quite unstable despite being a superpower but their rival and a far one, the Incan Empire has subjugated recently much of their neighbouring territories north and south - plus the Incans are more centralised and stable than the Aztecs by the end of the 20th century, the Aztecs might shatter in the next few years or so through an ideological and dynastic civil war.

The map should look like Europe, Middle East, North Africa and Asia in the 16th century but with a lot of frikin tribes in North America being large and stable (except maybe Northeast America) and a huge Aztec blob (maybe a buffer state of Mayan vassals and northern ones as well), their Caribbean colonies (currently in a rebellion). Incan EMpire is basically the Ottomans except on one continent, smaller tribes in Brazil are like nomads but the ones near Inca are more civilised (say those in Argentina and northern South America)

May not be added because its probably just stupid but this could make them a big challenge if the Europeans (ever but guaranteed) colonise Americas. >Chuzzy be triggered