Board Thread:Admin/Chatmod Board/@comment-6812733-20150722211127/@comment-6812733-20150723003314

Thanks for providing a clarification, now I understand what you meant with your reply. But I also have some counter-arguments that I would like to be heard and hear feedback on.

1. Indeed, contributions page exists but that requires each individual admin/chatmod to go that individuals contributions page to see their current ban (if one exists) or if they want to check their previous bans, they'd have to go and see the ban log and the chat ban log. This thread is to put those three things together to make it much faster to see their chat bans, wiki bans and if they are currently banned. This can be done by much less traffic by simply coming to this thread and ctrl+f (search function) the name of the individual that you seek.

2. Posting here won't really matter since the information is still public, it's just more accessible. People can see who is banned by doing just as you said, going to their contributions page and seeing for themselves. That makes this whole point invalid since the information is already public. But indeed, this thread could become something of a mess if not handled with care (very much like it is right now, I will get back to it later). To handle this thread with care, we have moderators and admins. We also have rules in the wiki (sadly many do not follow them and not many enforce those rules outside of TOU). So there's nothing really stopping anyone from making it a rule that this thread would become an area where only the information required is provided. No, it won't stop anyone from doing otherwise, but it can be a deterrent. I am not saying that a rule like that is made right now, nor do I really support such a rule, I think the community can, if it puts it's mind to it, behave acccordingly and not mess the thread even without a rule being in place.

3. Yes, I wish that we (admins, chatmods, moderators) could have an easier access to see users BAD behavior. I don't know if you remember but some months ago we had a little accident where we were utterly humiliated when we didn't really have an efficient tracking system of users who continue to misbehave. During that accident, I stated that it should be counted as part of this chore, to be fully aware of users who misbehave and have a tracking system of our own for them, but it should fall on each individual to do so themselves. I now see that it is far too time consuming and far too much of a work for one individual. Sure there are some who gladly seem to do it, you, Corrosive, are a good example of that. But some of us don't do that for what ever reason. This thread is to work together, to create that tracking system for each of us. For the proof part, I will not argue with you since we both are on the same side on that one, we both want proof for any ban made.

4. I do believe that there are usually a good explanation in the bans but then there are just some times that there's no other reason that the reason that the wiki offers automatically. This thread would be a good place to give a quick notice if the person doing the ban was busy at the time to not be able to write an explanation on the spot, to give that reason later on when they have time.

5. I didn't really think hard on the name, I just named it exactly what it is. Evidence usually here isn't confidential since we demand it to be shown before a ban is set and people usually present it even without really demanding a ban, just showing that a problem has risen and they'd like an admin/chatmod to do something about it. Public criticism cannot be avoided, by keeping evidence confidential, the public could just as well use it against the admins/chatmods. And there has really been no criticism from anyone else except the people who have been banned for a good reason.

Now that this thread is starting to fill up with replies not intended to this thread, I'd like to ask you Corrosive, to move this conversation to either of our message walls, just incase.