Thread:Batran99/@comment-24838416-20141224180652/@comment-24458893-20141230141220

DUBST3P1 wrote:

Zephyrus Mapping wrote:

Batran99 wrote:

Disturbedfan1100 wrote: Batran99 wrote: What if that guy is too lazy to work at all and he gets the same money as you?

If the economy is always like that, no one would make no effort to work hard and society cannot progress because everyone is paid the same thing no matter how hard they work.

We need to encourage workers to work and work hard, because it makes them percieve life stronger. But if everyone gets the same thing even if little effort, it makes them percieve life as "getting everything you want" and makes society lazy. So basicly what you're saying in this is that minimum wage is bad and it should be abolished because then people are too lazy to do anything. This is why you get into fights with others like Zeph or Zukas. You are the far-right while Zukas is the far-left, Zeph not liking the right-winged thoughts.

The answer is to use the goods of both systems. Everyone should get minimum wage which covers every need a person has from medical care to food and rent. But it needs to come out of your pocket, not from the government because that doesn't teach you the importance of money the correct way, it makes you think that you will always be taken care of no matter the situation. When you need to pay that all by yourself with the work you've done, it teaches you that if you slack or decide to not think your economic situation through, you will, in a sense, suffer. (That word was not the one that I'd like to use)

But at the same time while your living needs are taken care of, you should also get a little bonus for your extra effort. It wouldn't be taking anything from anyone, it would just show that if you want to try, you should and you'll get something out of it, not making you lazy. But it never should be something like you'll work bit extra and you now gain vast amounts of money compared to other workers, that would just be unfair and cause hatred between co-workers, possibly lowering the production/service efficiency of the work place. But it should never be something small, like you work an hour or two extra or maybe go to work on weekend and you get 10 bucks. That would be like spitting on your face when you've used valuable time and effort for doing something you might actually enjoy. I never said there shouldn't be minimum wage. I know people deserve these needs. But sometimes people should be encouraged to work hard and invent to improve these systems through promise of more rewards. Not gaining massive ammounts of wealth just for doing little effort. What (or at least I think) Zephyrus is saying is that everyone should have equal money no matter what. Which I would believe damages the system. What I am trying to say here is that aiming for more equal incomes through state intervention necessarily leads to a reduction in national income and therefore average income. If the government has more power, they would grow more authoritive to their citizens. It also stagnates advancement and progress.

PS: If you want to see far-right, you should see MrAmerican lolol. I am more into Liberal-Conservatism, if that is related. 1. I NEVER said that everyone should get the same Money

2. About the infilation thing, don't try to get away with stuff like that you know what I meant with that.

3. In communism EVERYONE WORKS THE SAME AND GET THE SAME MONEY. Like if in today's Society the Money you get depends on how much you work. A secretary might work day and night and get 500 euros per month while a footballer goes out there, plays a game and gets millions.

And about what Disturbed said about Canada, I was joking.

Now I'm asking you: If you were the bottom person in the Social ladder, would you still prefer a capitalist Society rather than a socialist or communist one? Btw the last two aren't the same. lololololo empty post But what if someone doesn't want to work? Or is stupid, maybe ill? What if someone works more than other people, just because? If you want everyone to be equal in communism, how to prevent this?